[Alt-photo] question

Loris Medici mail at loris.medici.name
Mon Oct 13 20:47:29 UTC 2014


You'll reach to an equilibrium with alkali carbonate and acid carbon
dioxide - that was my point...

Will do two sets; one with normal water, one with dissolved carbondioxide
(water + dry ice) and report.
 On Oct 13, 2014 11:10 PM, "bobkiss @caribsurf.com" <bobkiss at caribsurf.com>
wrote:

> Precisely the problem with CO2 in the atmosphere in the average room making
> the CaCO3 more soluble and, therefore, more likely to leach into the cyano!
>
> On Monday, October 13, 2014, Loris Medici <mail at loris.medici.name> wrote:
>
> > Will do that too; but mind that dissolved CO2 is acidic (that's why it
> > dissolves CaCO3)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Loris.
> >  On Oct 13, 2014 10:03 PM, "bobkiss @caribsurf.com" <
> bobkiss at caribsurf.com
> > <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > DEAR LORIS,
> > >       Try dissolving some carbon dioxide in the water (perhaps adding
> > some
> > > club soda, soda water or seltzer) and see what happens.
> > >                 CHEERS,
> > >                                  BOB
> > >
> > > On Monday, October 13, 2014, Loris Medici <mail at loris.medici.name
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Bob, (for the enlightment about Barbados' water quality)
> > > >
> > > > Nevetheless, it's overkill to use special alkali free and/or ion trap
> > > > mounting boards for cyanotypes, using those expensive materials is
> only
> > > > useful in the peace of mind domain. I believe that leaching
> hypothesis
> > > > won't happen - sounds like a myth to me.
> > > >
> > > > Actually this is a nice thing to test: I recently moved and my
> darkroom
> > > is
> > > > still packed - as soon as I unpack my materials, I will dry mount a
> > > > cyanotype (made on thin Masa paper) onto highly buffered Fabriano
> > > Artistico
> > > > paper and keep the composite in water for 24h. Will provide the
> before
> > > and
> > > > after scans, that way we can see and quantify any probable adverse
> > > effect -
> > > > in the worst possible scenario.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Loris.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2014-10-13 15:50 GMT+03:00 bobkiss @caribsurf.com <
> > bobkiss at caribsurf.com <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>>:
> > > >
> > > > > DEAR LORIS,
> > > > >      Well, here are the facts:
> > > > > 1) Barbados is made of an enormous coral reef.
> > > > > 2) Coral is made of CaCO3,
> > > > > 3) a large part of our water supply comes from underground aquifers
> > > which
> > > > > leach the CaCO3 out of the coral and deposit it on EVERYTHING.
> > > > > 4) Though CaCO3 has a solubility of 15 mg/liter that figure
> increases
> > > > > enormously in the presence of carbon dioxide.  Now, let's take the
> > > > average
> > > > > cyano in the average home where the humidity can vary greatly due
> to
> > > > season
> > > > > and weather and throw in the prevalence of carbon dioxide in most
> > > > > living environments.  The buffer will dissolve in the humidity and
> > > leach
> > > > > into the print. Ergo, you can kiss your cyano goodby if you use a
> > > > buffered
> > > > > board.
> > > > > 5) Our local water authority analyzed the deposits and they are,
> > > > > indeed,CaCO3.
> > > > >                 CHEERS!
> > > > >                           BOB
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, October 12, 2014, Loris Medici <mail at loris.medici.name
> > <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Bob,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You have water soluble calcium or magnesium hydroxide in your
> > waters
> > > > > then,
> > > > > > because really, CaCO3 is  insoluble. Google it. (Or try to
> dissolve
> > > > > > chalk...) Calcium has many soluble compounds, but unfortunately,
> > > > calcium
> > > > > > carbonate is not one of them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Loris.
> > > > > > On Oct 13, 2014 1:06 AM, "bobkiss @caribsurf.com" <
> > > > bobkiss at caribsurf.com <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> > > > > > <javascript:;>>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > DEAR LORIS,
> > > > > > >      The water supply in Barbados disproves your statement that
> > > > calcium
> > > > > > > carbonate is practically insoluble!  There is so much CaCO3
> > > dissolved
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > our water that it leaves deposits everywhere and makes
> developers
> > > pH
> > > > > too
> > > > > > > high.  I have to mix EVERYTHING with distilled water.
> Further, a
> > > > high
> > > > > > > humidity environment would cause CaCO3 to leach from the
> buffered
> > > > board
> > > > > > > into the cyano print and bleach it.
> > > > > > >      I still prefer good ol' 100% cotton museum board with
> > nothing
> > > > > added
> > > > > > > for mounting all my prints.  There are also the high tech
> papers
> > > with
> > > > > ion
> > > > > > > traps...up to you.
> > > > > > >                        CHEERS!
> > > > > > >                                    BOB
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sunday, October 12, 2014, Loris Medici <
> > mail at loris.medici.name <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Gert,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't think you absolutely have to omit alkaline buffered
> > > boards
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > mounting cyanotypes; there isn't any way for the alkaline
> > buffer
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > board to reach the cyanotype image that sits on the opposite
> > side
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > mounted paper - even so in the case where the composite is
> > fully
> > > > > > > submerged
> > > > > > > > in water; calcium carbonate is practically insoluble...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OTOH, when making cyanotypes, you have to refrain from papers
> > > with
> > > > > > > alkaline
> > > > > > > > buffer and any alkaline solution during processing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Loris.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2014-10-12 23:28 GMT+03:00 Christian Nze <
> christnze at gmail.com
> > <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > > > <javascript:;>>:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > acid free but not with alcalin reserve.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2014-10-12 19:41 GMT+02:00 Geert Hoekstra <
> > ghoekstra at solcon.nl <javascript:;>
> > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > <javascript:;>
> > > > > > > > <javascript:;>>:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask how to best frame a print made with
> gum
> > > > over
> > > > > > > > > cyanotype.
> > > > > > > > > > Can you use acid free board? For cyanotype this is not
> > > > > recommended,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > is a combination of two processes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Geert Hoekstra
> > > > > > > > > >
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