[Alt-photo] the alt family tree

John Brewer john at johnbrewerphotography.com
Tue Aug 1 18:09:10 UTC 2017


Hey Jalo

You're original mail got through. I never see mine when I post tho.

John

On 1 August 2017 at 19:05, Jalo Porkkala via Alt-photo-process-list <
alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:

> I did not see this post of mine appear on the list, so am re-posting it...
> sorry if there is double posting. And I forgot to mention this List, which
> obviously has been one of the most valuable sources! When I found it in
> 1994 (I think) I immediately signed in! :)
>
> -jalo
>
> 2017-07-28 21:03 GMT+03:00 Jalo Porkkala <jporkkala at gmail.com>:
>
> > Wet plate collodion seems to be in fashion, I doubt modern daguerreotypes
> > will ever get that popular, simply because it takes a lot of
> concentration
> > and patience to make them. There are so many variables in the process and
> > so many steps in the workflow. Making dags can be a nightmare for a
> > perfectionist; I think not so many "perfect" plates even exist. But that
> is
> > part of the process and the challenges make it interesting. Another thing
> > is, after quitting teaching I don't have a darkroom as great as we had at
> > the school, so I am doing small work, with no particular hurry, trying to
> > learn more about the process. Daguerreotypists do have their forums on
> the
> > net which is great!
> >
> > -Jalo
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-07-28 18:29 GMT+03:00 Christina Z. Anderson via
> > Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>:
> >
> >> I’ve got your book, Jalo, on my shelf!
> >> I have always felt you must be an important part of the foundation in
> >> Finland.
> >> Would you say the daguerreotype is a more rarely-practiced alt process
> >> today (lately it seems wet plate collodion is the most!)? Of course, now
> >> there is probably a FB page with hundreds of practitioners that I’m
> unaware
> >> of, but I can think of only a handful of daguerreotypists.
> >> Jacques, what a bummer about bromoil. I’m going to talk to Freestyle
> >> about if there is a potential to bring back a bromoil paper. They’ve
> >> brought back the Holga and are now stocking lots of different Bergger
> >> papers so you never know and it can’t hurt to ask. There has been a
> >> resurgence in analog after a very long downward trend. I agree with you
> >> that casein is a not yet thoroughly tapped process that needs lots of
> >> study/testing/practice.
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Jalo Porkkala <jporkkala at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Christina et al.
> >> >
> >> > A short history of my involving in alt processes.
> >> >
> >> > The first time I heard about alternative photographic processes was
> >> sometime in late 1970's... there was the wonderful Swiss Camera magazine
> >> showing palladium and albumen prints, and in 1980 I mail ordered my
> copy of
> >> the Keepers of Light. One of my fellow photography students made gum
> prints
> >> as his graduation work in 1979... a brave and beautiful thing that we
> all
> >> admired as none of these processes were taught in photographers'
> education
> >> at that time, and not largely since.
> >> >
> >> > I started my work as a museum photographer, and in early 1980's taught
> >> myself some processes to print glass negatives from 1880's-1920's,
> >> including printing-out paper and others. I learned cyanotype and
> >> platinum/palladium from the Keepers of Light. Another great source of
> >> information for me was Nancy Rexroth's The Platinotype 1977. There was
> also
> >> George Tice's workshop on Pt/Pd in Finland in early 1980's, this process
> >> was the next thing I wanted to do.
> >> >
> >> > Since I am in Finland it was next to impossible to buy chemicals for
> >> platinum printing. I managed to order some from Photographers' Formulary
> >> and Bostick & Sullivan... there was no internet and I especially
> remember
> >> some late night phone calls (best business hours in the US) to Dick
> >> Sullivan to order chemicals. :)
> >> >
> >> > In 1990's I started working as a photography teacher at an art school.
> >> I did some classes of basic photography, but also wanted to familiarize
> the
> >> students with alternative processes. They were accepted with enthusiasm,
> >> and we gradually did them more and more. There were alt-photo classes of
> >> several weeks at Satakunta University of Applied Sciences in 1995 and
> 2008,
> >> and a few weeks slot of alt processes each year remained in the
> curriculum.
> >> >
> >> > In 2006 at the Satakunta University we started Project Vedos, studying
> >> numerous alt-processes and visiting collections at museums in Europe and
> >> USA, and also participating in the APIS symposium in 2007 and 2009 in
> Santa
> >> Fe. The Vedos ended in 2015 which also was the year of my retirement
> from
> >> the teaching work. The project actually made it possible to produce the
> >> first book of alt processes in Finland.
> >> >
> >> > In 2011 I participated in Mike Robinson's Daguerreotype workshop in
> >> Lacock, England, and have been totally hooked since. Regarding alt
> >> processes, I'm only doing daguerreotypes for now, and giving occasional
> >> workshops on other processes.
> >> >
> >> > -Jalo
> >> >
> >> > 2017-07-16 19:43 GMT+03:00 Christina Z. Anderson via
> >> Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org
> >> <mailto:alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>>:
> >> > Dear All,
> >> >
> >> > A few years ago SPE (Society of Photographic Education) was working
> out
> >> this photography family tree thing, where members would write in who
> taught
> >> them photography. I thought it was an interesting proposition, even
> though
> >> most of us have several moms and dads so to speak so the final tree
> trunk
> >> might not be just one set of “parents.”
> >> >
> >> > An MFA in photography is a comparatively new field as compared to
> other
> >> arts, but even other arts had schools of training and thought (e.g.
> >> Bauhaus).
> >> >
> >> > So that got me thinking about the key texts (and mentors, teachers,
> >> people) who influenced me in alt over the years. And it also got me to
> >> thinking about alt list members over the years, who’s still on, who
> still
> >> posts, that kind of thing.
> >> >
> >> > And then I’ve noticed lately “pockets” of alt in different countries
> >> and wondered who was at the foundations of those movements. It had to
> start
> >> somewhere. Where did Mrhar come from?
> >> >
> >> > Whatever the case, alt seems to be a burgeoning movement, unlike in
> the
> >> 60s or 70s where it was decidedly not mainstream.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, it is an interesting conversation to think about, our
> >> forefathers and foremothers.
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps all contemporary collodion, for instance, leads back to
> >> Osterman or Coffer? Salt leads back to Reilly (1980)? Gum to Scopick?
> >> >
> >> > William Crawford’s text and then Scopick’s were at my foundation, but
> >> then Airey, House, Arnow, Blacklow, Hahn (who was influenced by Henry
> >> Holmes Smith), Nettles, Van Keuren…and then later Enfield, James,
> Farber,
> >> Barnier.
> >> >
> >> > I’d love to hear input from others as to their influences, perhaps too
> >> long a conversation for the summer vacation months! I decided to make a
> >> list of which I will share when I feel it is comprehensive. Wouldn’t
> want
> >> to miss someone because they weren’t on my personal radar.
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >> >
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