[Alt-photo] Bergger paper

Christina Z. Anderson christinazanderson at gmail.com
Wed Jul 12 16:42:06 UTC 2017


Thanks, Keith; I thought I was going nuts because I had not seen it available anywhere til now either. 
And interesting that both companies, Arches and Bergger, came out with a lightweight paper about the same time. 
Well, I suppose it is not like there are thousands of individual paper mills out there so it can be likely they are made at the same mill with different sizing agents. 
With the Cot 320 package having a Platine watermark, is there any chance someone packaged Platine and called it Cot320 wrongly? In other words, the reseller error and not that it is the same paper? Platine is very characteristic with its smooth front and slightly toothy back, and I have also noticed that similar texture on Cot320. 
Chris

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Keith Schreiber <keith at jkschreiber.com> wrote:
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> I had heard rumors about a lightweight Bergger COT paper, but this is the first I've heard of it being actually available. As you may know, the COT-320 comes off of the same mould as Arches Platine, or at least it used to. (I once had a batch of COT-320 with a Platine watermark!) I wonder if this comes off the same mould as the 145gm Platine. If I remember right, the paper base is the same, but they are sized differently, and obviously the Bergger is trimmed and the Arches is not. I've got those details somewhere around here, but it may not be the case any longer.
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> I like the lightweight Platine, but find it to be very absorbent compared to the heavy version, so I have to eliminate the Tween 20.
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> Keith
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> Keith Schreiber
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>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Christina Z. Anderson via Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org <mailto:alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>> wrote:
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>> Yeah, Cot 320 has always been available, and B&H carries it. But Freestyle has lately committed in a big way to more film choices, paper, and they resurrected the Holga after the Chinese quit making it. So it for sure is the film that is new, but this is the first I’ve ever seen Cot160…
>> Every time I read announcements like this it makes me very happy that our university remains committed to its extensive BW darkrooms!
>> Chris
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>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Kurt Nagy <kakarott76 at hotmail.com <mailto:kakarott76 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> The Pancro film is brand new.  
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>>> http://www.japancamerahunter.com/2016/10/film-news-bergger-pancro-400/ <http://www.japancamerahunter.com/2016/10/film-news-bergger-pancro-400/> <http://www.japancamerahunter.com/2016/10/film-news-bergger-pancro-400/ <http://www.japancamerahunter.com/2016/10/film-news-bergger-pancro-400/>>
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>>> Unsure about the COT 160, I've only ever used the 320 for Gum.  Couldn't you still get COT320 prior to this, you just had to go through Bergger themselves?  Its been several years since I ordered some (I need to restock) but last order I placed was by calling Bergger.
>>> From: Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org <mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org> <mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org <mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org>>> on behalf of Christina Z. Anderson via Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org <mailto:alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> <mailto:alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org <mailto:alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>>>
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>>> Dear All,
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>>> I notice Bergger film and paper and uncoated paper (Cot) are all back and available at Freestyle, included the Pancro 400 films. I also noticed, for the first time—or have I just missed it?—that Bergger offers two weights of paper, a Cot 160 and a Cot 320. Has this always been the case, the two weights?
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>>> I found the lighter weight Arches Platine too thin for my tastes but I imagine it would be great for platinum or albumen.
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>>> http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr%5B%5D=62-353&mfg%5B%5D=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160 <http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr%5B%5D=62-353&mfg%5B%5D=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160> <http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr%5B%5D=62-353&mfg%5B%5D=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160 <http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr%5B%5D=62-353&mfg%5B%5D=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160>> <http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr[]=62-353&mfg[]=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160 <http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr[]=62-353&mfg[]=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160> <http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr[]=62-353&mfg[]=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160 <http://www.freestylephoto.biz/search?attr[]=62-353&mfg[]=175&q=bergger%20cot%20160>>>
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>>> Chris
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