[Alt-photo] Curves and text files in QTR

Felix Martin martin.felix at gmail.com
Thu May 25 23:05:30 UTC 2017


Clay is right.

Unless you recompile the file, replacing the .acv file will not reflect the changes.

The values get embedded at the moment you run the install program.

-Felix


Thanks all for your input



> On May 25, 2017, at 3:44 PM, Don via Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
> 
> You beat me too it! Thanks Clay!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:alt-photo-process-list-bounces at lists.altphotolist.org] On Behalf Of
> Clay Harmon via Alt-photo-process-list
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 5:58 PM
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> Cc: Clay Harmon
> Subject: Re: [Alt-photo] Curves and text files in QTR
> 
> I've hacked on the .quad files on several warranty voiding exercises, and
> all the file contains is an ordered list of 256 values that are positive
> numbers between 0 and 32768 (2^15) for each ink jet head color. There is
> nowhere in the file that subsequently calls or references the .acv file. 
> 
> Clay
>> On May 25, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Keith Schreiber via Alt-photo-process-list
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>> 
>> If Clay is right about how the QTR .quad handles the linked .acv file,
> then you do have to reinstall even if you don't change the path or filename.
> I've never done what you are suggesting so my rambling is only speculation,
> even though it is based on experience.
>> 
>> ~ Keith
>> 
>> Keith Schreiber
>> jkschreiber.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Felix Martin via Alt-photo-process-list
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes it does make sense.
>>> 
>>> Thats why I was trying to cheat by just overwriting the .acv with the
> same name and path :)
>>> 
>>> I keep my original .acv's in the path of photoshop/presets/curves
>>> 
>>> The ones in use for QTR are /applications/QuadToneRip/Profiles/UCP800
>>> 
>>> My workflow is not of high volume, but I thought that might be
> incorporated for fine tuning.
>>> My way of thinking was to select a curve in QTR print a test, modify the
> curve if needed (still in photoshop) and then do a save as to the right
> /applications/QuadToneRip/Profiles/UCP800/ folder with the same name. Then
> print and skip the recompile.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -F
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 25, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Keith Schreiber via Alt-photo-process-list
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Based on what I remember from when I used to work that way and what
> happened when I moved those files in the past, I think I can say with a high
> degree of certainty that only the path and file name are embedded when you
> install the curve. The contents of the file are not. 
>>>> 
>>>> Also note that you can change the text files "till the cows come home"
> but if you don't reinstall them the changes will not take effect when you
> use QTR. 
>>>> 
>>>> Hope that makes sense. :)
>>>> 
>>>> ~ Keith
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 25, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Felix Martin via Alt-photo-process-list
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes I keep several documented versions of each iteration (for certain
> papers, landscape, skin tones, and effects I like).
>>>>> .
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just thought it would be very cool to be able to just change the
> curve and do the last fine running for those moments when I just printed my
> final neg and
>>>>> I say, this is perfect, but for this image but I would love to drop a
> bit the mid point just a tad or raise mid-shadows without having to
> recompile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This will allow me to keep all my text files intact and just mess
> visually with the .acv and copy into the right folder.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would love to know with certainty if the compiled file refers to the
> .acv file externally or if it gets embedded in the compile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Felix
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 25, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Don Bryant via Alt-photo-process-list
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree with Keith regarding the .acv file.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However this does raise the issue of learning and using version
> control
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now that everyone's eyes are glazing over I'll leave it at that. But
> RCS is
>>>>>> easy to use and available across most platforms. Also available is VCS
> and
>>>>>> git.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 25, 2017 4:23 PM, "Keith Schreiber via Alt-photo-process-list"
> <
>>>>>> alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not sure about this, but I think that if he makes a change to the
> .acv
>>>>>>> curve file but does not rename it or move it then it is not necessary
> to
>>>>>>> reinstall the QTR curve text file. The QTR curve refers to the .acv
>>>>>>> on-the-fly, so as long as the .acv referred to is available in the
> location
>>>>>>> used in the installed curve (I am assuming that this is in the
> GrayCurve
>>>>>>> field or something similar) it will use whatever in in the .acv file
> at the
>>>>>>> time it is used.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But if you care about keeping track of your progress and changes, I
> don't
>>>>>>> think using the same name for a different .acv is good practice. Each
>>>>>>> variation should get a new variation on the name too, in which case
> the
>>>>>>> text file would be modified also to refer to the new .acv name, and
> the
>>>>>>> curve should then get a new name too. In this case you do need to run
> the
>>>>>>> installer each time you make a new iteration.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Kees Brandenburg via
> Alt-photo-process-list
>>>>>>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Felix,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes you have to run the installer again when you change anything in
> the
>>>>>>> txt file or curve.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Kees
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My question is If I decide to make a change in the curve file, is
> it
>>>>>>> enough to just replace the curve file in the directory or do I have
> to run
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Install program to "embed" the curve data into the driver?
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