[Alt-photo] Alt-photo-process-list Digest, Vol 175, Issue 7

Mark Nelson ender100 at aol.com
Sun Oct 1 12:47:03 UTC 2017


Anne,

Always buy Ferric Oxalate in dry packs and mix with distilled water as you need it.  That way you don't have to worry about shelf life. 

Also, its possible to get crystals of Palladium solution on paper when coating either by sucking them off the bottom of the bottle with n eye dropper or by shaking the bottle before filling the eye dropper. 

Let us know if any of these or other's suggestions work. 

Best Wishes,
Mark Nelson

www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
PDNPRint Forum @ Yahoo Groups
www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com

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>   1. Re:  epson p800 problems (Keith Schreiber)
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> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:25:50 -0600
> From: Keith Schreiber <keith at jkschreiber.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Alt-photo] epson p800 problems
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> Hi Anne,
> 
> Marek may be on to something ... take a print and the negative and line them up over a light table to see if spots happen to correspond to star-wheel (the term Epson uses for the wheels) created pinholes. This actually was the source of someone's black spots on Pt/Pd prints on another forum not long ago. 
> 
> There are a couple of ways to go about eliminating the star-wheel problem. The simpler one, if you are lucky and it works on your particular printer, is to use the front feed. The problem with this is that front feed is intended for thick materials like poster board, and it seems to override any platen-gap setting. I have 2 3880s. One of them works well for negatives using the front feed, but the other has a lot of what I call overspray indicating too large of a gap. No setting change either on the panel or in paper configuration made any difference.
> 
> The more complicated but more effective way is to disable the star-wheel mechanism by tricking the printer into thinking the front-feed in being used even though it's not. Walker Blackwell shared how to do this with me and I wrote it up as an article (with illustrations) that is posted on my website. It is written for the 38xx models specifically since that is what I have, but it works on the P800 as well. The only difference is in how to remove the front left cover to access the cam mechanism. Here is a link to the article:
> 
> https://jkschreiber.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/how-to-disable-star-wheels-on-an-epson-3880/ <https://jkschreiber.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/how-to-disable-star-wheels-on-an-epson-3880/>
> As to the linear striations you mentioned, which direction do they go? Parallel to paper to the paper path, or parallel to the print head movement? For that matter are they parallel to edges of the film or do they wander, are they all oriented the same, always in the same locations, ink side or back side?
> 
> Cheers,
> Keith
> 
> Keith Schreiber
> jkschreiber.com
> 
> 
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>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Anne Chansonette via Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey list friends,
>> 
>>    I put out a cry for help last week here regarding what I think is
>> black plague in my palladium prints, but as I am trying to solve that I am
>> also finding that I have some printer issues going on, I use an Epson Sure
>> Color P800 to make my digital negs on Pictorico, as I know many of you do
>> as well. I am suddenly seeing weird linear striations as well as tiny
>> spots, flecks and other issues. There are tiny holes in areas that should
>> be dense black. I'm even getting some scratching or scarring of the
>> surface---I am guessing what I have heard on here referred to as "pizza
>> wheels"?
>> 
>>    Questions: what paper width and platen gap are you all using---I am
>> wondering if these are part of the problem... I'm not sure though why
>> things would change when I have been generating negs for a couple years now
>> on this printer. Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anne Eder
>> www.anneeder.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org
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> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 20:54:22 -0400
> From: Anne Chansonette <chansonette at gmail.com>
> To: Keith Schreiber <keith at jkschreiber.com>,
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>    <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> Subject: Re: [Alt-photo] epson p800 problems
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> Hi Keith,
> 
>     I was hoping this might be it---a clear cause and fix, but I think I
> have more than one thing going on. The printer problems do need to be
> addressed, but I am also seeing black specks after coating, before exposure
> and without a negative in place, so it seems pretty clear that there is a
> chemistry problem too. I have been trying everything---
> 
> I stopped tearing my paper using a stainless steel rule and used the edge
> of a piece of glass instead and have been making sure there is no contact
> with any metal at any point.
> I have replaced chemicals with fresh ones.
> I have developed and cleared out my brushes, as well as trying new brushes.
> I put new droppers in all bottles.
> I stopped using, for now anyway, my beakers for soaking brushes, shot
> glasses for sensitizer, etc and have been using only brand new, clean,
> disposable containers.
> 
> And still, I am getting black specks.
> 
> My preferred method for palladium printing is to use Ferric #1 and Na2 on
> HPR. However, one test I have done is making me suspicious of the Ferric
> #1. I tried coating with FeO#1 and FeO#2 instead of the Na2, and found that
> if I used more FeO2 and less FeO1, I saw very little black plague, tough of
> course the contrast levels are all off then. I've been buying FeO#1 in
> solution from Bostick and Sullivan. Chris suggested I try buying from
> Artcraft instead. What do you think? Also, I had some Rives paper here from
> gumming so just out of curiosity I coated a little of that---the problem
> was much worse than on the HPR---larger black spots and more of them.
> 
> I'll start tackling the printer and will definitely check your website for
> that info, but am pretty sure I have contamination somewhere in the
> sensitizing process. I suppose it could be in the environment, but I can't
> think what would cause that.
> 
> I'm such a fan of your work, Keith---thanks so much for taking the time to
> help me.
> 
> Best,
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Keith Schreiber via Alt-photo-process-list
> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne,
>> 
>> Marek may be on to something ... take a print and the negative and line
>> them up over a light table to see if spots happen to correspond to
>> star-wheel (the term Epson uses for the wheels) created pinholes. This
>> actually was the source of someone's black spots on Pt/Pd prints on another
>> forum not long ago.
>> 
>> There are a couple of ways to go about eliminating the star-wheel problem.
>> The simpler one, if you are lucky and it works on your particular printer,
>> is to use the front feed. The problem with this is that front feed is
>> intended for thick materials like poster board, and it seems to override
>> any platen-gap setting. I have 2 3880s. One of them works well for
>> negatives using the front feed, but the other has a lot of what I call
>> overspray indicating too large of a gap. No setting change either on the
>> panel or in paper configuration made any difference.
>> 
>> The more complicated but more effective way is to disable the star-wheel
>> mechanism by tricking the printer into thinking the front-feed in being
>> used even though it's not. Walker Blackwell shared how to do this with me
>> and I wrote it up as an article (with illustrations) that is posted on my
>> website. It is written for the 38xx models specifically since that is what
>> I have, but it works on the P800 as well. The only difference is in how to
>> remove the front left cover to access the cam mechanism. Here is a link to
>> the article:
>> 
>> https://jkschreiber.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/how-to-disable-
>> star-wheels-on-an-epson-3880/ <https://jkschreiber.
>> wordpress.com/2016/08/08/how-to-disable-star-wheels-on-an-epson-3880/>
>> As to the linear striations you mentioned, which direction do they go?
>> Parallel to paper to the paper path, or parallel to the print head
>> movement? For that matter are they parallel to edges of the film or do they
>> wander, are they all oriented the same, always in the same locations, ink
>> side or back side?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Keith
>> 
>> Keith Schreiber
>> jkschreiber.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Anne Chansonette via Alt-photo-process-list
>> <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey list friends,
>>> 
>>>    I put out a cry for help last week here regarding what I think is
>>> black plague in my palladium prints, but as I am trying to solve that I
>> am
>>> also finding that I have some printer issues going on, I use an Epson
>> Sure
>>> Color P800 to make my digital negs on Pictorico, as I know many of you do
>>> as well. I am suddenly seeing weird linear striations as well as tiny
>>> spots, flecks and other issues. There are tiny holes in areas that should
>>> be dense black. I'm even getting some scratching or scarring of the
>>> surface---I am guessing what I have heard on here referred to as "pizza
>>> wheels"?
>>> 
>>>    Questions: what paper width and platen gap are you all using---I am
>>> wondering if these are part of the problem... I'm not sure though why
>>> things would change when I have been generating negs for a couple years
>> now
>>> on this printer. Any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anne Eder
>>> www.anneeder.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Alt-photo-process-list | altphotolist.org
>> 
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