[Alt-photo] Another good paper for cyanotype

Anne Chansonette chansonette at gmail.com
Tue Feb 6 01:39:49 UTC 2018

Since cyanotypes are in the discussion currently, can I ask if anyone has
experience with printing cyanotype on fired ceramics? I've been trying to
print on porcelain and so far the results are pretty lackluster. Also, does
anyone have a source for more info on that OR on the dangers/ possibilities
of printing on bisqued porcelain and then firing to vitrification? I
believe that firing cyanotype chemistry to high temperatures would result
in toxic fumes, but I have seen photos of fired cyanotypes on ceramic
(which turn dark red/ brown not blue), so it has been done, though perhaps
not safely? Any leads on further info or sources would be appreciated!

Anne Eder

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 9:50 AM, Christina Z. Anderson via
Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>

> Keith,
> Yeah, the wait for Herschel is long and the price with shipping is a bit
> beyond student budgets. Europe is lucky in the availability of some great
> papers and some great paper stores.
> Thanks for the tips on the two Japanese papers.
> If you cannot get the traditional cyanotype to work this may work for you
> as it did for me in this dry climate: dilute your A (if it is 20%) to a 10
> % FAC and increase your PF to 10%. It absorbs into the paper better and
> prints a smoother, less gritty tone with less wash-off. It also is,
> surprisingly, faster on most papers I have tested (of course, all problems
> that the Ware formula solves).
> When compiling a chart of 100+ formulas throughout history, I noticed the
> FAC:PF was all over the place albeit not often more PF than FAC. I thought
> I would start, then, with equal proportions and move up in FAC from there.
> I ended up staying with 10/10 because it looked great.
> When I started the cyanotype class in school I reverted to my usual 20/10
> mix I always use for the class, and noted an immediate problem with grain
> and grit and wash off again. I went back to the 10/10 and their prints
> looked great (and were faster by1/2-1 stop, not slower).
> Chris
> > On Feb 4, 2018, at 9:53 PM, Keith Schreiber <keith at jkschreiber.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > I had to take a break from paper and process testing, which you know is
> just about my favorite thing too, to get some actual printing done and
> prepare for a couple of workshops, but I intend to be back at it by early
> summer.
> >
> > I've just got a couple comments for you:
> >
> > Herschel - I bought a bunch about a year ago and it took a month to get
> here. It was shipped quickly enough and was at US customs in less than a
> week, but then it sat there for about 3 weeks. Contraband paper dontcha
> know! I haven't done anything with it yet other than a couple quick tests.
> I'm gonna have to tweak my standard Pd process for it, but I'm hoping it
> works well with the Malde-Ware POP process which I am finally learning.
> >
> > I can't seem to get anything to work with classic cyanotype here, but
> two Japanese papers that do work well with "New Cyanotype" are Tosa
> Hakkinshi and Sekishi Torinoko Gampi. The latter is exceedingly smooth but
> a bit more contrasty than other papers I've tested with that process. Both
> are available from Hiromi.
> >
> > I look forward to trying the Sumi-e.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Keith
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Christina Z. Anderson via
> Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> Might have missed some of the emails because I’m out of town. Thank you
> to those who are interested! I’ve been on this paper testing gamut for so
> many months now, it seems, that I feel like a lone voice crying in the
> wilderness.
> >>
> >> The fact that the paper is unbuffered really made my ears perk up in
> regards to cyanotype. I am unaware of which washis are unbuffered or if
> they are as a general rule. So much of the time those details are
> unspecified.
> >>
> >> I have these papers specified as unbuffered and made for alt processes
> (Sumi-e is made for sumi ink processes).
> >> 1.         Arches Platine, two weights
> >>
> >> 2.         Awagami Platinum Gampi, two weights
> >>
> >> 3.         Awagami Platinum Mitsumata
> >>
> >> 4.         Bergger Cot 320, two weights
> >>
> >> 5.         Hahnemühle Platinum Rag
> >>
> >> 6.        Herschel Platinotype
> >>
> >> 7.         Legion Revere Platinum
> >>
> >> Kees, there are papers that you get in the Netherlands that are just
> impossible to get here. I can get Schut, for instance, but darned if I can
> get Simile Japon or some other names (Tershellong or something?) And
> Herschel, heck, I ordered some several weeks ago, costing about $17USD a
> sheet, and it has yet to arrive. So unfortunately some good papers can be
> Euro- or Amero-centric.
> >>
> >> I can’t wait to hear how Sumi-e is with platinum and salt.
> >>
> >> I do not have the extensive experience as some of you do, of printing
> on washi, but these I have tried (bold are faves; crossed out are
> eliminated either because they are unsuitable or they fell down the list in
> suitability):
> >> Legion Kitakata,
> >> Legion Hosho,
> >> Legion Masa,
> >> Legion Okawara,
> >> Legion Goyu,
> >> Legion Thai Kozo
> >> Awagami Platinum Gampi
> >> Awagami Platinum Mitsumata
> >>
> >> (Keith, aren’t you proud of me, using exact names?)
> >>
> >> I also have a bunch of washi I bought in Japan years ago but
> unfortunately I do not have the English names of any so they are not
> included in my latest tests. And some of those papers, one $60 a sheet,
> were not good for cyanotype, either pilling, printing too dull blue-gray,
> or disintegrating in the water like toilet paper (as Legion Hosho did for
> me).
> >>
> >> So why I wax poetic about this paper is that by comparison it prints
> very smooth tones, a turquoise blue more than navy blue or gray navy as
> some do, and without pilling or tearing when hanging, etc. And the way it
> is packaged in pads is overkill-protective. But when you compare the price
> of Sumi-e to Awagami ($12 a sheet), you can see why as a professor I was
> very excited for my students to be able to find a reasonably priced washi
> to have their first washi experience with. The cyanotype class will have
> prints due on Sumi-e on Monday and we’ll develop curves for it after that.
> Its absorbency might be a deal-breaker for platinum printers without
> resorting to some sort of dilution of chemistry but we’ll soon find out
> from you platinum aficionados. I only print cyanoplati so would not use
> this paper for a double-print.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 3:06 AM, Kees Brandenburg <workshops at polychrome.nl>
> wrote:
> >>> Found it in the Netherlands too: 50x65cm, 80gr. 20 sheets (not in pad)
> €21,80
> >>> Kees
> >>
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