[Alt-photo] Another good paper for cyanotype

Graeme Lyall graemelyall at gmail.com
Fri Mar 23 20:49:20 UTC 2018

The Sumi-E paper is great, but thin, and I found it important to mark the
coated side with a pencil, because the solution goes completely through,
immediately.  I have exposed it by sunlight, and with a UV source, both
worked well.

If not hijacking the topic, I am debating making a book featuring
cyanotypes throughout (I know, the idea has been around for a while).  The
bookcloth on boards will be made from cyanotyped material (maybe calico),
and the endpapers and pastedowns will be cyanotypes.

And of course the main part of the book will be cyanotypes. For that, I
would like to find suitable paper that will work as pages, work well for
cyanotypes, and can be bound into the book, using traditional bookbinding
methods.  I've made albums before, but I like the idea of the images being
integral.  The paper I have at hand includes sumi-e, hot pressed
watercolour paper, laid paper, etc., none of which are ideal for this

I'll let you know if I find a good solution!


On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 7:53 PM, raven erebus via Alt-photo-process-list <
alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:

> So I ordered some of the Sumi-E and it was so long ago that I forgot your
> note about the sheet between the paper. I'm sure you know where this is
> going. LOL
> So that sheet, as you probably know, is terrible for cyanotype, though
> still stronger and better than copy paper, and it actually holds up in the
> wash rather well. I had torn it into four pieces for testing and kept
> getting light blue prints, exposing longer and longer each time didn't
> help. In fact I thought maybe the first one I had put the wrong side up or
> something. But no it's just the plain cover sheet. haha I guess I'll be
> waiting for the next sunny day to try the actual sumi-E paper.
> I did get a better price on Amazon but the wait was slow as it shipped from
> Sweden to California. It's currently $24 with shipping.
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00511CUCO/ref=oh_aui_deta
> ilpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> I also tried yupo which was tricky to get the solution to stick... and then
> because it's basically plastic, there was a lot of moisture from the plant
> matterial so I ended up with something that looked much like a lumen print.
> Washing it out was the disappointment I expected in that mostly it all
> washed away despite careful rinsing. I may try again using some of daniel
> smith's watercolor ground, or some other gesso assuming any of them will
> stick.
> Looking forward to experiencing the gorgeous smooth blue of the sumi-E.
> best,
> Raven
> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Christina Z. Anderson via
> Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
> wrote:
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Still testing papers for cyanotype…perhaps no one cares but here goes:
> >
> > Another paper I can wax poetic about for cyanotype. Probably to you
> > Europeans this is old hat because it is not a new paper, only new to the
> US
> > market.
> >
> > I have not tested it for platinum/palladium; Mark Nelson will be soon.
> I’m
> > just on this cyanotype paper testing roll (five months and counting).
> >
> > Hahnemühle Sumi-E.
> >
> > It is thin but strong, e.g. you can actually coat and hang it by
> > clothespins to dry. But it is thinner than, say, a typical kozo paper.
> >
> > It is packaged in the pads, with a sheet between each sheet to protect it
> > so at first you may not know which is the paper!
> >
> > It is 80 gsm. Very absorbent. Solution shoots through to the back so best
> > to lay it like a U-shape into solution on a piece of glass or plexi, no
> > problem with the cheapness of a cyanotype solution.
> >
> > No need to tape down. It does not roll up like a scroll when coating like
> > vellum does, but stays flat albeit wrinkles when brushing on the solution
> > (hence the U-shape coating method).
> >
> > It prints a gorgeous, smooth blue with a long exposure scale (traditional
> > cyanotype 10/10). Some Japanese/Asian papers print fibrous; this does
> not.
> >
> > Exposure time calibrated for a 10/10 cyanotype is around 17 minutes.
> >
> > It is a rice paper so maybe 100% sulphite, but will find out. In any
> case,
> > it is archival.
> >
> > It is available in an approximate 19.5x25.5, or a 9.5x12.5-20 sheet pad
> or
> > a 12x16-20 sheet pad. The latter is here:  https://www.dickblick.com/
> > items/12487-1012/ <https://www.dickblick.com/items/12487-1012/>. At
> $1.36
> > per 12x16 sheet, this is really reasonable, perfect for a student budget.
> > My students were thrilled with it.
> >
> > The End.
> >
> > Chris
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