[Alt-photo] Another good paper for cyanotype

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Fri Mar 23 21:02:03 UTC 2018

Have you tried Holbein Albireo paper? I find it works well with traditional cyanotype, although the weight would probably limit you to 2 or at most 3 folios per signature.


> On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Graeme Lyall via Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
> The Sumi-E paper is great, but thin, and I found it important to mark the
> coated side with a pencil, because the solution goes completely through,
> immediately.  I have exposed it by sunlight, and with a UV source, both
> worked well.
> If not hijacking the topic, I am debating making a book featuring
> cyanotypes throughout (I know, the idea has been around for a while).  The
> bookcloth on boards will be made from cyanotyped material (maybe calico),
> and the endpapers and pastedowns will be cyanotypes.
> And of course the main part of the book will be cyanotypes. For that, I
> would like to find suitable paper that will work as pages, work well for
> cyanotypes, and can be bound into the book, using traditional bookbinding
> methods.  I've made albums before, but I like the idea of the images being
> integral.  The paper I have at hand includes sumi-e, hot pressed
> watercolour paper, laid paper, etc., none of which are ideal for this
> project.
> I'll let you know if I find a good solution!
> Graeme
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 7:53 PM, raven erebus via Alt-photo-process-list <
> alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org> wrote:
>> So I ordered some of the Sumi-E and it was so long ago that I forgot your
>> note about the sheet between the paper. I'm sure you know where this is
>> going. LOL
>> So that sheet, as you probably know, is terrible for cyanotype, though
>> still stronger and better than copy paper, and it actually holds up in the
>> wash rather well. I had torn it into four pieces for testing and kept
>> getting light blue prints, exposing longer and longer each time didn't
>> help. In fact I thought maybe the first one I had put the wrong side up or
>> something. But no it's just the plain cover sheet. haha I guess I'll be
>> waiting for the next sunny day to try the actual sumi-E paper.
>> I did get a better price on Amazon but the wait was slow as it shipped from
>> Sweden to California. It's currently $24 with shipping.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00511CUCO/ref=oh_aui_deta
>> ilpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>> I also tried yupo which was tricky to get the solution to stick... and then
>> because it's basically plastic, there was a lot of moisture from the plant
>> matterial so I ended up with something that looked much like a lumen print.
>> Washing it out was the disappointment I expected in that mostly it all
>> washed away despite careful rinsing. I may try again using some of daniel
>> smith's watercolor ground, or some other gesso assuming any of them will
>> stick.
>> Looking forward to experiencing the gorgeous smooth blue of the sumi-E.
>> best,
>> Raven
>> On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Christina Z. Anderson via
>> Alt-photo-process-list <alt-photo-process-list at lists.altphotolist.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> Still testing papers for cyanotype…perhaps no one cares but here goes:
>>> Another paper I can wax poetic about for cyanotype. Probably to you
>>> Europeans this is old hat because it is not a new paper, only new to the
>> US
>>> market.
>>> I have not tested it for platinum/palladium; Mark Nelson will be soon.
>> I’m
>>> just on this cyanotype paper testing roll (five months and counting).
>>> Hahnemühle Sumi-E.
>>> It is thin but strong, e.g. you can actually coat and hang it by
>>> clothespins to dry. But it is thinner than, say, a typical kozo paper.
>>> It is packaged in the pads, with a sheet between each sheet to protect it
>>> so at first you may not know which is the paper!
>>> It is 80 gsm. Very absorbent. Solution shoots through to the back so best
>>> to lay it like a U-shape into solution on a piece of glass or plexi, no
>>> problem with the cheapness of a cyanotype solution.
>>> No need to tape down. It does not roll up like a scroll when coating like
>>> vellum does, but stays flat albeit wrinkles when brushing on the solution
>>> (hence the U-shape coating method).
>>> It prints a gorgeous, smooth blue with a long exposure scale (traditional
>>> cyanotype 10/10). Some Japanese/Asian papers print fibrous; this does
>> not.
>>> Exposure time calibrated for a 10/10 cyanotype is around 17 minutes.
>>> It is a rice paper so maybe 100% sulphite, but will find out. In any
>> case,
>>> it is archival.
>>> It is available in an approximate 19.5x25.5, or a 9.5x12.5-20 sheet pad
>> or
>>> a 12x16-20 sheet pad. The latter is here:  https://www.dickblick.com/
>>> items/12487-1012/ <https://www.dickblick.com/items/12487-1012/>. At
>> $1.36
>>> per 12x16 sheet, this is really reasonable, perfect for a student budget.
>>> My students were thrilled with it.
>>> The End.
>>> Chris
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