[Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?

sef208 sef208 at gmail.com
Sat Oct 1 22:37:54 CDT 2011


I think circulating a letter to both Fuji and Orwo would be a good idea.
After all, these are companies and we are consumers...they should be
interested in what we have to say. The crucial part will be in getting
institutions, i.e. schools, studios, production companies of various sizes,
etc. to be on this letter. If these companies think that only individuals
will be buying their products, they might not make a big effort...

-seth

P.S. - I meant "whining" comment only affectionately, we are all on same
side here...

On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:05 PM, 40 Frames <info at 40frames.org> wrote:

>
> I don't know about the cost of Neopan motion picture stock elsewhere in the
> world... (Neopan still film is relatively cheap in the states, cheaper than
> Ilford by a lot and at the price point of films like Efke and Arista)....
> but in the states ORWO is expensive by comparison.
>
> As it is today, 7363 is $51 USD per 400' roll, and if you get an
> educational discount it's around $40. And its Ortho, so you can
> process under safe light.
>
> ORWO stock was (last I checked) almost double this price. So, while there
> does exist alternatives, they cost more. And I don't see
> a stock in the product line that would be comparable to 7363.
>
> BTW Seth, if you want to draft and circulate a letter asking Fuji to
> distribute Neopan in the US, I'd sign it. And I'll overlook your
> comment about "whinning".
>
>
> Alain
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Freya <freya128 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> re Fuji Neopan: I assume it would be way more expensive than Kodaks
>> offering which is why they probably don't bother.
>>
>> I assume Fred is right and that Kodak will file for Chapter 11 protection
>> assuming the patent sale doesn't go thru. To be honest it might be a good
>> thing in a way, as selling the patents seems a bit like selling the family
>> silver. I get the impression the guy running the place is just trying to
>> stretch things out as long as he can so he can keep getting paid which is
>> not a great business strategy for the future.
>>
>> love
>>
>> Freya
>>
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 10/1/11, sef208 <sef208 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: sef208 <sef208 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kodak filing for bankruptcy?
>> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" <frameworks at jonasmekasfilms.com>
>> Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 8:41 PM
>>
>>
>> I asked the fuji rep in new york and he said that it wouldn't be
>> profitable enough in the US for fuji to bother... unless Kodak went
>> under...The more pressure we put on them, the more demand they will
>> perceive. There is still a pretty good demand for black and white film.
>> Perhaps fuji will change it's tune now...it's definitely better than sitting
>> around and whining about kodak's demise.
>>
>> seth
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 12:29 PM, <Carlileb at aol.com<http://mc/compose?to=Carlileb@aol.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> **
>>  In a message dated 10/1/2011 9:58:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>> info at 40frames.org <http://mc/compose?to=info@40frames.org> writes:
>>
>> And Neopan is not currently available in the US.... Don't know why this
>> has ever been a question for Fuji?
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>
>> I've repeatedly asked the Fuji people in Hollywood about this, and they
>> just giggle and change the subject and tell me that Fuji has other great
>> film stocks.
>>
>> It must be that yes means no thing. And like it's none of our damned
>> business. So to hell with them.
>>
>> J.C.
>>
>>
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