[Frameworks] seeking double perf film

Nicholas Kovats nkovats at gmail.com
Mon Jan 23 19:34:50 CST 2012

Two perf R8 film (2R-1477) is also utilized in my UltraPan8 format to
produce a native spherical aspect ratio of 2.8:1, i.e.


On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Myron Ort <zeno at sonic.net> wrote:
> There is double perf 16mm, and Double 8mm which is double perf 16
> with an extra set of sprocket holes such that if split it becomes
> Reg. 8mm.
> Yes Double 8mm could be shot in a 16mm camera or in a Reg.8 mm camera.
> Then it could be spit or not split, yielding several possible
> "special effects":
> 1. shot in Reg. 8 camera, not split= frame quarters seen, one side
> upside down unless anticipated in shooting.
> 2. shot in 16mm, then split = flicker effect, alternate frame
> quadrants.  See example below.
> 3. shot in 16mm camera, projected one sprocket displaced= half screen
> effect, horizontal split, top and bottom of frame.
> 4. shot in 16mm camera, double exposed in 8mm camera, then split. Any
> number of possible variations or possible multiple exposures with
> this kind of thinking.
> 5. who knows what you might come up with.
> Here is a film that was  double 8mm film stock shot in a 16mm camera,
> meant to be used simply as 16mm, but I accidentally slit  it, so
> there ended up two rolls (the two halves) of Reg. 8
> with the flicker effect of alternating quadrants, then, after
> telecine,  I juxtaposed the two halves side by side in "chronological
> shooting order"  in fcp, yielding this double screen effect with the
> rather mysterious
> connections between the two halves. Note that one half of the split
> double 8mm had to be telecined as A-wind, the other half B-wind in
> order for this to properly work out.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> v=l4cNZLv5o9M&list=UUhNv2f1M4EKeyTB68E_n5dg&index=8&feature=plcp
> Myron Ort
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 4:03 PM, Steven Gladstone wrote:
>> On 1/23/12 6:21 PM, Myron Ort wrote:
>>> double perf versus double 8mm
>> I always thought you could shoot double 8mm in 16mm, and when it was
>> processed you would just have an extra set of unused perfs (might be a
>> problem with frame lines if you were off by a perf.) I never tried it,
>> so I might be wrong, but I thought the perfs were the same size.
>> On another note. I have a Redlake Hycam, and would really be happy if
>> someone wanted to come take it off my hands. While I'd prefer a
>> 501C for
>> tax purposes, in the end I'd like it to go to a good home that
>> would use it.
>> I'm located in Brooklyn, N.Y.
>> --
>> Steven Gladstone
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