[Ok-sus] permaculture book/resource for an 8 acre SW OKC farm?

Vicke Adams vicke at vickeadams.com
Tue Dec 11 08:19:12 CST 2012

I have read all the books that Bob listed, except the one by Kouric, and am
a certified permaculture designer. However, I find that putting these
concepts into practice on a real homestead is pretty challenging because
there is no way to anticipate the daily issues and there isn't anything out
there to address these. I have a six acre homestead in NE Oklahoma. Last
summer I got overrun by the worst plague of grasshoppers I have ever seen in
my life.  My whole garden was wiped out in about a week. I tried organic
solutions to no avail. Maybe I didn't get them started quickly enough. I
wouldn't cave in and use chemicals as some people suggested and I lost
everything, even the perennials, a very costly loss. What I think would be
helpful is some kind of "support group" where I could ask questions about
problems I'm having or maybe help someone else with a problem that I have
already been through. Does anyone know of a yahoo or Google group that
already does this? If not, maybe we could start one.
Goingsnake Farm
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[mailto:ok-sus-bounces at lists.oksustainability.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [Ok-sus] permaculture book/resource for an 8 acre SW OKC farm?
Well, a good introduction to permaculture is the book Introduction to
Permaculture by Bill Mollison, which is less expensive and easier to grasp
than the full Permaculture Design Manual.  But I think its important to
remember that design principles, such as are discussed in permaculture
books, are one thing, while best practices for a situation like this is
another thing.  Permaculture is a design system.  People often think it is
about using perennial food producing plants.  Certainly many, probably most
permaculture designs would include perennial food producing plants, but
that's perennial gardening, it's not permaculture gardening. Permaculture is
the design system that decides where you put your perennial food producing
plants and describes how they beneficially integrate into your system,
whether that be a household, a ranch, a farm, a school, a business, whatever
it may be. It is a way of designing your life so you live in accordance with
the permaculture ethics of caring for people, caring for the planet, and
having a care for the future.

I am not aware of anyone that has written a book applying permaculture
design principles to the situation in southwest Oklahoma.  So the best that
can be done I think is to study something like Intro to Permaculture while
also picking up some best practices from other books.

I would say that the most important additional book actually is two books,
the Rainwater Harvesting for Drylands, volumes 1 and 2, because I grew up in
southwest Oklahoma, and water is an extremely critical issue down that way.

Then you could add Eliot Coleman's Four Season Harvest, and browse the books
by Joel Sallatin for information on various cultivation practices.  He's in
Virginia, so some discernment is involved, but his books on managing cattle
for direct sales to customers are really good.

Kouric's Maintaining Your Edible Landscape Naturally is a great guide to the
issues involved with horticulture (managing a mixture of perennial and
annual edible and useful plants for household use).

If I was going to build a house in southwest Oklahoma, my only choice would
be an underground or mostly earth-sheltered house.  The reason for that is
simple "extreme weather."  Actually, if I was building a house anywhere in
Oklahoma it would be an underground or mostly earth sheltered house.  If I
could bury my existing house in Gatewood I would, but that's not practical.
Just imagine how Code Enforcement would react to that.  Their heads would
explode.  I would be in a lot of trouble, lol.  So I won't bury my house but
if it ever gets blown away in a tornado, underground is what I am replacing
it with.  I think going forward into the future, the weather may become so
extreme so often that along the Great Plains, people will get very
interested in underground architecture.

My final suggestion is to find some old timers who have lived in the
immediate area of their acreage for a long time and become good friends with
them and learn from them what that area is like.  They could also consult
the Oklahoma Mesonet for climate records for that area and they should go
back as far as they can to see how the situation is regarding weather.

Bob Waldrop
Certificate in Permaculture Design, 2007, Elfin Permaculture/Florida

From: Eric Pollard <ewpollard at gmail.com>
To: Sustainability Issues in Oklahoma <ok-sus at lists.oksustainability.org>
Sent: Mon, December 10, 2012 9:35:13 PM
Subject: [Ok-sus] permaculture book/resource for an 8 acre SW OKC farm?

Received this message from Lillian Thee via Facebook. I will forward any
responses on this listserv to her.

Hello, OSN! Can any recommend a permaculture book/resource for an 8 acre SW
OKC farm? Lots of information out there but with Oklahomas extreme
weather/terrain challenges...need some specific guidance on developing a
fully intergrated seed to seed grain to livestock operation. We are fully
commited to the principles of permaculture. thanks!!!

Eric W. Pollard
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