[Ok-sus] my exchange with Senator Inhofe

Jeff Tate jtate at lawokc.com
Thu Mar 14 16:37:52 UTC 2013

I get that the climate issue is polarizing, and that each side is passionate in their own beliefs, but exaclty how were Bob’s comments offensive besides espousing a view different than most on this list-serve?  He may not have placed the word “President” in front of “Obama”, but his tone was more “offenseive” than the tone of the original email he was commenting on.    The only real difference in emails was the substance of beliefs stated, not tone of speech.  Why is it ok for Vicke to “vent,” but when Bob does it, it is offensive?

 If we are going to complain about tone as offensive, lets at least be consistent.

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From: Ok-sus [mailto:ok-sus-bounces at lists.oksustainability.org] On Behalf Of Robert Gregory
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:51 PM
To: Timothy Tillman; Bob Moore - Biodiesel; ok-sus at lists.oksustainability.org
Subject: Re: [Ok-sus] my exchange with Senator Inhofe

Good points, Timothy. His comments were offensive.

Robert Gregory
Executive Director
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Timothy Tillman <TTillman2 at uco.edu<mailto:TTillman2 at uco.edu>> wrote:
Let’s try again! Mr. Moore, I am truly grateful for your work on behalf of renewable energy. I would like to respectfully question a couple of your statements if I may.

1.       “Senator Jim Inhofe who is 100% correct about global warming.”

Senator Inhofe (and please note the appropriate use of his title as opposed to “Obama”) has a BA from TU with no apparent science major/minor program. The climate scientists who document and report evidence of global climate change by and large have PhD behind their name. For a non-biased source, try this http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

2.       “Global Warming people believe they are smarter than GOD and it is up to you to solve the world problems.”
So, anyone who believes in a different deity or even none at all should trust yours to fix everything?
I look forward to your response!

From: Ok-sus [mailto:ok-sus-bounces at lists.oksustainability.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moore - Biodiesel
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:06 PM
To: ok-sus at lists.oksustainability.org<mailto:ok-sus at lists.oksustainability.org>
Subject: Re: [Ok-sus] my exchange with Senator Inhofe

I have been involved with Green Energy for many years.  I have been a member of the Oklahoma Renewable Energy Council  for years,  I am involved with Biodiesel and with SIPS Housing.

I find it odd that some people are so upset with Senator Jim Inhofe who is 100% correct about global warming.  Wish these people were as upset with all the lies from Obama.

I can show you global warming --- when a farmer plows a field - the temp goes up in the earth and in the air but that does not mean is it bad.  How many bombs was explored in World War II yet the earth recovered .  Global Warming people believe they are smarter than GOD and it is up to you to solve the world problems.

The Federal Government should be involved with global warmer issues at all.

Bob Moore

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From: Vicke Adams <vicke at vickeadams.com<mailto:vicke at vickeadams.com>>
To: ok-sus at lists.oksustainability.org<mailto:ok-sus at lists.oksustainability.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:18 PM
Subject: [Ok-sus] my exchange with Senator Inhofe

I am fuming. I got the e-mail you will find below from Senator Inhofe when I wrote regarding his position on global warming. My reply e-mail is also below. I know that it doesn’t do any good to argue with him on this subject as he wrote a whole book of bullsh**t on the subject. However, I just can’t stand it that he thinks he can throw out these lies to his constituents and get away with it. Does he think we are all stupid? I guess if they keep reducing education funding maybe they will get a generation that is stupid enough to accept his phony baloney.
I wish everyone would write to him and give him the facts of which he seems to be ignorant. Maybe, at least he would begin to figure out that there are people in Oklahoma who cannot be duped by him and others like him with their hands in the pockets of oil and gas.
Ugh… thanks for letting me vent.

From: Vicke Adams [mailto:vicke at vickeadams.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:06 PM
To: 'Jim_Inhofe at inhofe.senate.gov'
Subject: RE: Responding to your message

Dear Senator Inhofe,
The “leak” by blogger Alec Rawls took one sentence from a large IPCC report and used it out of context to try to support his uneducated view of climate change. In fact, there was no manipulation of data by scientists as you claim. No credible, science-educated person agrees with that view.  Michael Mann, a climatologist and the director of Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University stated that solar forcing has been flat over the past fifty years during which we've seen the greatest amount of warming. He said that there was nothing in the new IPCC report that in any way calls that conclusion into question.
Furthermore, former climate change skeptic and physics professor, Richard Muller, PhD, in a study heavily funded by Bill Gates and the Koch Charitable Foundation, came to the conclusion that not only is climate change real, it is man-made.
Muller writes: “Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.”
The Berkeley project’s research has shown, Muller says, “that the average temperature of the Earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases.”
While it may be true that the United States cannot unilaterally fix the problem, we certainly can be leaders in the solution. Right now, thanks to leaders without vision, or those with too many rewards from the oil and gas industry, the U.S. is behind many other industrial countries in reducing the causes of global warming.
As a mother and a grandmother, I recognize that much more than our economic well-being is a stake. The future lives of our grandchildren are threatened by political leaders who refuse to accept what has been proven by science. Please, get your facts straight and start thinking about helping to ensure a future for both our grandchildren.
Vicke Adams, MSES
Proctor, OK

From: Jim_Inhofe at inhofe.senate.gov<mailto:Jim_Inhofe at inhofe.senate.gov> [mailto:Jim_Inhofe at inhofe.senate.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:11 PM
To: vicke at vickeadams.com<mailto:vicke at vickeadams.com>
Subject: Responding to your message

Dear Vicke:

Thank you for your correspondence.  As your voice in Washington, I appreciate the opportunity to know your views on climate change.

As a father of four and a grandfather of twelve, I am extremely concerned that measures to address climate change would lower the quality of life and economic well-being of future generations.  When I became the Chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee in 2003, I decided to closely examine the scientific evidence as to whether global warming was real, man-made, and potentially catastrophic, as many were asserting.  I learned from many credible scientists, who began to contact me about the issue, that the science behind global warming was, in fact, not settled. Additional research confirmed for me that the catastrophic global warming hypothesis was wrong. My skepticism was further confirmed in 2009 when leaked emails from scientists contributing to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) exposed that they manipulated data using flawed science to arrive at their so-called consensus claims.

Nevertheless, the Obama Administration is determined to implement global warming regulations that will impose the largest tax increase in American history, generate higher energy prices, and destroy jobs with very little impact on global greenhouse gases.  Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) analysis has shown that cap-and-trade would fail to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, something its proponents claim is central to cap-and-trade legislation.  China has already passed the United States as the leading carbon dioxide emitter, and India is not far behind.  Without matching efforts to limit these gases among developing nations, the United States stands to lose thousands of jobs, many of which would go to countries without global warming regulations.  In reality, unilateral action would result in increased emissions globally, because efficient manufacturing in our country would be exported to less efficient countries without greenhouse gas emission restrictions.  I am thus committed to stopping legislation that would impose financial hardships on the American people under the auspices of providing a solution to climate change.

Thank you again for taking the time to express your concerns. If I can be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me again.


James M. Inhofe
United States Senator

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